tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5042627331437123482.post5354874849440859477..comments2023-09-22T19:46:18.734+02:00Comments on Pivní Filosof - Beer Philosopher: Evolucionary explanationPivní Filosofhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17883511608403454943noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5042627331437123482.post-28608060749556036662012-12-14T11:43:50.015+01:002012-12-14T11:43:50.015+01:00From 2009 edition the Vintage Ale is more similar ...From 2009 edition the Vintage Ale is more similar to the now a day Golden Pridebogdanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16161040020272986741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5042627331437123482.post-21482955682559949472012-12-10T16:49:19.426+01:002012-12-10T16:49:19.426+01:00Vintage Ale is basically unfiltered Golden Pride. ...Vintage Ale is basically unfiltered Golden Pride. Well, sort of. Doubtless the yeast is removed and then it's reseeded for bottle conditioning.Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5042627331437123482.post-38426055989466601512012-12-09T13:57:45.328+01:002012-12-09T13:57:45.328+01:00I confess to have simplified the peak thing a bit....I confess to have simplified the peak thing a bit. But you are right when it comes to how little research has been done in beer aging.<br /><br />Much, if not most, of what you hear seems to have been assumed from what has been said and written about wine ageing, but given the considerable differences in the nature of both products, I doubt a whole lot of it is correct.<br /><br />PS: I wonder how long it would take for unfiltered Golden Pride to start deteriorating...Pivní Filosofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883511608403454943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5042627331437123482.post-26781089843034577922012-12-09T13:39:02.042+01:002012-12-09T13:39:02.042+01:00John Keeling of Fullers did exactly that: explain ...John Keeling of Fullers did exactly that: explain when Vintage Ale and Golden Pride (basically the same beer) were at their best. Golden Pride, filtered and carbonated, starts to deteriorate from the moment it's bottled. After about 12 months, it starts to have a seriously negative impact on the beer.<br /><br />Vintage Ale, which is bottle conditioned, continues to develop for at least 20 years. Wheter or not it improves is a matter of taste. But it doesn't deteriorate the way Golden Pride does.<br /><br />I agree with John. I wouldn't argue with him. He knows more about the effects aging, and his own beers, than just about anyone.<br /><br />I was at the vertical tasting of the whole set of Vintage Ale last year. All of the beers were good and just about every one, in my opinion, was better than the most recent. Evidently it's not just as simple of reaching a peak and then going downhill. Over 10 or 15 years there will be several peaks and troughs.<br /><br />It's a fascinating process about which almost nothing sensible has been written.<br /><br />Next time you're in London you should drop by Fullers and have a word with John.Ron Pattinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03095189986589865751noreply@blogger.com