tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5042627331437123482.post3475101423098570403..comments2023-09-22T19:46:18.734+02:00Comments on Pivní Filosof - Beer Philosopher: Off with the legendPivní Filosofhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17883511608403454943noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5042627331437123482.post-49186109711268524172011-11-17T13:03:35.169+01:002011-11-17T13:03:35.169+01:00Good point. Which gives me yet another reason to b...Good point. Which gives me yet another reason to believe is, as a friend used to say, estranged from the truth...Pivní Filosofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883511608403454943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5042627331437123482.post-3885647490271962062011-11-17T12:19:32.775+01:002011-11-17T12:19:32.775+01:00Given the timing I would be surprised if there is ...Given the timing I would be surprised if there is anything in Czech, the National Revival wasn't until 1848. Pilsen was still a predominately German town in 1838, as it was until 1860, and it it took until 1918 for Czech speakers to become a clear majority.<br /><br />If there are any archive records of Pilsen's beer trade pre-1838, they are likely to be in the Austrian National Archives rather than the Czech. It was there that I found references to Budweis's brewing traditions, whereas the Czech archives had little beyond 1918.Velky Alhttp://www.fuggled.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5042627331437123482.post-25659585579623802242011-11-16T18:32:19.472+01:002011-11-16T18:32:19.472+01:00I'm glad you've liked it.
I'm sure th...I'm glad you've liked it.<br /><br />I'm sure there are some newspapers from the time somewhere in a library. I don't think I'd be able to make much sense of mid 19th German, or mid 2011 German for that matter, but if I remember correctly, by that time, Vienna had allowed the different languages in the Empire to go official (but I could be wrong), so it might be that something in Czech was printed at the time. Maybe I should have a look at that some day...Pivní Filosofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883511608403454943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5042627331437123482.post-11702257018162027622011-11-16T15:41:07.449+01:002011-11-16T15:41:07.449+01:00Excellent work, Max, I've long doubted the tru...Excellent work, Max, I've long doubted the truth of much of the "birth of pils" story. Are there any old newspapers from the area surviving from that period? (Likely to be in German, I suspect, rather than Czech.) You're right, I'm sure, that "Burghers" is a better translation than "citizens", "Burghers" implies holders of civic rights, which these guys apparently had (ie the right to brew).Martyn Cornellhttp://zythophile.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5042627331437123482.post-57525875446321817542011-11-16T12:05:31.137+01:002011-11-16T12:05:31.137+01:00It could have also been that the thing happened, b...It could have also been that the thing happened, but as a protest for something else, tax increases? the entry of beers from other towns?Pivní Filosofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883511608403454943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5042627331437123482.post-64714340568693231152011-11-16T11:13:21.061+01:002011-11-16T11:13:21.061+01:00It's interesting how mythologies are formed, b...It's interesting how mythologies are formed, but they generally arise out of some truth, seems hard to believe the legend was just made up. Doesn't mean that the burghers weren't just carrying out a cleverly planned pre-launch marketing ploy though.Majknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5042627331437123482.post-14995421944627541292011-11-14T20:03:56.093+01:002011-11-14T20:03:56.093+01:00Good point.
The reason I quoted that book was, fi...Good point.<br /><br />The reason I quoted that book was, firstly, to get some perspective, secondly, because of the Rakovník and Jirkov (fuck, I should've known that one) references and thirdly because of Pilsen thing as well. Cheese being mentioned, but not beer? I would have expected brewing to have been a more important part of the city's economy at the time...Pivní Filosofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883511608403454943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5042627331437123482.post-36545515786393086472011-11-14T14:29:52.348+01:002011-11-14T14:29:52.348+01:00I am not sure that the London General Gazetteer fr...I am not sure that the London General Gazetteer from 1838 is valid reference in this context, for 2 main reasons:<br /><br />1. the date of publication. Being published in the year when the Pilsen Beer Dump allegedly took place allows for the possibility that either the author didn't know about the event, or that it took place after the publication of the book. Either way, I would be skeptical about its reliability for this story.<br /><br />2. it would appear that the entries for Rakovnik and Jorkau (which I am fairly certain is Jirkov) relate to the quality and quantity of the beer being produced in those towns respectively. If the legend has a grain of truth to it, that the beer was not exceptional in any way, and certainly not the main industry of the town, then I would not expect it to be mentioned. Just because we are interested in the most famous export of the city in modern times, doesn't mean it was a vital part of commerce when the book was written.Alistair Reecehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929927359428659775noreply@blogger.com